Reaching autonomy with tulpamancy isn't the most difficult thing in the world. That stage is largely about acceptance of the process rather than time spent. If you've reached that stage, great, then you have a tulpa.
If you want a well-developed tulpa your goal should now be to make it so they can interact with you on their own power, without giving them attention. This involves putting thinking about them/as them/whatever into instinct by repetition. And of course there's all the tertiary skills you can now develop if you desire them - switching and imposition, for instance.
I think we're going to go towards switching more or less after he can interact with me with his own power- imposition scares me a little- but I think I'll try it after the switching
Is another Claude your first headmate? Feeling independent agency on day one is pretty common for people who already have some experience with tulpamancy/plurality, less common for actual beginners but still possible.
Your introduction (used vocabulary etc.) just looked like of a person deeply rooted in the plurality community rather than one of tulpamancy begginer, from my point of view.
from what i heard about other people's experiences is that tulpas appearing in first day is quite common
i think that when you were doing research your brain could already start passively forcing
2:39 PM
some people also have tulpas even without knowing what tulpamancy is! so there is nothing to be concerned about
try to think of it this way: the foundation for tulpamancy is to create a strong set of core beliefs about all of it being possible
in all of our lives everything that we experience is teaching us that tulpamancy should be impossible - you are your body, there is only one person in your head (unless you are "crazy)
so the most challenging time for some people in tulpamancy can be overriding those possibly set in stone beliefs which they gained whole life that are stopping them from forming a tulpa
the "talent" aspect of tulpamancy could be all about how strongly you are attached to your core beliefs and how easily can you change them(edited)
try to think of it this way: the foundation for tulpamancy is to create a strong set of core beliefs about all of it being possible
in all of our lives everything that we experience is teaching us that tulpamancy should be impossible - you are your body, there is only one person in your head (unless you are "crazy)
so the most challenging time for some people in tulpamancy can be overriding those possibly set in stone beliefs which they gained whole life that are stopping them from forming a tulpa
the "talent" aspect of tulpamancy could be all about how strongly you are attached to your core beliefs and how easily can you change them (edited)
Some people override their views and others rather adapt. While tulpamancy might be conflicting with common sense, it's not conflicting with scientific-minded skepticism.
Especially if we are more cautious with claims about multiple people in your body and talk about identity dissociation instead.
3:12 PM
yes, as i mentioned at the end, "the "talent" aspect of tulpamancy could be all about how strongly you are attached to your core beliefs and how easily can you change them"
being easily able to change your views is probably what you mean by adapting?
and yes i agree that setting the bar too high using things people can't relate to at any level can make it much harder to accept for some people
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yes, as i mentioned at the end, "the "talent" aspect of tulpamancy could be all about how strongly you are attached to your core beliefs and how easily can you change them"
being easily able to change your views is probably what you mean by adapting?
and yes i agree that setting the bar too high using things people can't relate to at any level can make it much harder to accept for some people
By adapting instead of overriding I mean that tulpamancy being possible usually doesn't need radical changes in your worldview but rather acknowledging a few facts about identity dissociation.
3:17 PM
ah right, so you mean more like adapting the beliefs about how tulpamancy works rather than changin your beliefs of something you don't believe is possible is possible
3:18 PM
But I think there is also a distinction between accepting tulpamancy as a possibility and actually feeling it. From my own experience I could say that you can be not convinced about possibility yet feel it very well. And I have seen many example of it being likewise too.(edited)
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ah right, so you mean more like adapting the beliefs about how tulpamancy works rather than changin your beliefs of something you don't believe is possible is possible
That too. I think people thinking tulpamancy being impossible is due to the fact they don't understand what tulpamancy is supposed to be, lack of knowledge rather than belief. Some people of course are resistant to knowledge and not open minded at all, that could be the case too but I don't think it's that common.
Back in my days, about 9 years ago, it wasn't easy to get reliable information about tulpamancy and misconceptions about different stuff regarding to tulpas were easily spread in the community. It was common knowledge that tulpa should require (tens of) hours of meditation to become vocal and people refused to acknowledge connection between tulpas and either imaginary friends or identity dissociation.
Nowadays it's not that bad although I still see people being affected by the old myths, like one about 100h of meditation required to make a tulpa.
You are relatively new to the community of tulpamancers, aren't you, @Deleted User ?
hmm i'm not sure why there is a trend that whoever in the tulpamancy community starts a sentence with "back in my days, 7+ years ago..." ends up sharing their assumption in the same message that the people who they are talking to are new to the community? i can't see why both of those things matter and what's the purpose of sharing that assumption? it happened like 5 times in the last month from 5 different people talking on this server
a bit off topic, but it's hard to not notice(edited)
4:32 PM
from the latest "old newcomers" nao is the only exception from this that i remember
I wanted to say that a lot of assumptions about what tulpa is, what is supposed to be able to, how long it takes to make one, etc. seems to have evolved in the community during those years and you might not realize how bad it looked before.
"Back in my days" things used to be significantly worse, I'm glad they are different now and I think you are lucky you haven't joined when I did. Sorry if saying that you are relatively new looked offensive, I didn't mean to disregard you.
If I remember correctly, you told Nao you have been here for a year, didn't you? I'm her host actually. And almost have written that from her account.
If someone is new to the community now, it would be me I guess. I haven't been active in most of English-speaking communities for a while.
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I wanted to say that a lot of assumptions about what tulpa is, what is supposed to be able to, how long it takes to make one, etc. seems to have evolved in the community during those years and you might not realize how bad it looked before.
"Back in my days" things used to be significantly worse, I'm glad they are different now and I think you are lucky you haven't joined when I did. Sorry if saying that you are relatively new looked offensive, I didn't mean to disregard you.
If I remember correctly, you told Nao you have been here for a year, didn't you? I'm her host actually. And almost have written that from her account.
any tips about starting the forcing (ecpecially "waking up" the tulpa)?
it's been almost a year and Fel still needs my attention to "kep her awake". a WHOLE DAMN LOT of it.
The second part of that is more to do with training a tulpa into instinct from my perspective. With that, your mileage may vary in comparison to me, since I've got ADHD and find that particularly difficult. But I used alarms and physical reminders that were extremely obtrusive so that eventually I sort of just internalized they were going to happen and went "Oh, I should direct my attention to my tupper now." After sensing that an alarm was supposed to happen.
Beyond that you'll have to be more specific about what you mean by waking them up. I'm not sure if I completely follow.
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any tips about starting the forcing (ecpecially "waking up" the tulpa)?
it's been almost a year and Fel still needs my attention to "kep her awake". a WHOLE DAMN LOT of it.
should I "wake" her up like this against her will? i mean - most of the time she dosen't seem to be mad at me because of that or something ,but it just feels weird(edited)
It's an interesting trade off - getting something out of it means you have natural-tendency-to-force and that's super duper powerful, but it also means that if the thing you base them on fades away you either have to find a new one or you suddely have a fading tulpa. Be ready to accept that conclusion if you do go that route
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should I "wake" her up like this against her will? i mean - most of the time she dosen't seem to be mad at me because of that or something ,but it just feels weird (edited)
Wake her up for sure, IMO - they aren't like a person focused on something else getting distracted, they're in "no thought mode" and you aren't bothering anything or distracting them.
To be clear the thing you're getting out of it can be something you aren't getting out of it, but they are. As long as your brain is experiencing it and recognizing it as genuinely good.
5:50 PM
And yes. Why would being conscious be a bad thing?
she said (somewhere around may 2021) that "it dosen't matter what would we do together - almost any interaction with whe real world, me and other people is fun for her"
6:02 PM
yup
6:03 PM
wdym?
6:06 PM
she's pretty vocal, imposes herself from time to time, use a text chat to talk to people (she's not comfortable with our voice yet), and we both feel like 90% separate entities,just share the brain and some of our most basic traits.
6:07 PM
hah! we even talked yesterday a lot
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she's pretty vocal, imposes herself from time to time, use a text chat to talk to people (she's not comfortable with our voice yet), and we both feel like 90% separate entities,just share the brain and some of our most basic traits.
she said (somewhere around may 2021) that "it dosen't matter what would we do together - almost any interaction with whe real world, me and other people is fun for her"
If she already indicated that she wants to be included, why do you exclude her? It's not like a sleeping singlet, she's stuck not existing at a time when she by her own words would rather be spending time active
6:41 PM
It's your job as the tulpamancer to call her
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she said (somewhere around may 2021) that "it dosen't matter what would we do together - almost any interaction with whe real world, me and other people is fun for her"
dissipating has been rather simple, but i feel as if i'm simply restraining myself from letting them talk/them restraining themselves, is that normal with dissipation?
is there a way to go to sleep and have the next day be when your tulpa is fronting without knowing switching/possession while also not really thinking about it
I don't think a tulpa has a special ability to lucid dream, but some tulpas can be really motivated to pull it off. I heard sparse claims a tulpa is fully aware in a lucid dream, but I'm skeptical of these claims.
@jeeff
> a question: can a tulpa help me dream lucid? I don't think a tulpa has a special ability to lucid dream, but some tulpas can be really motivated to pull it off. I heard sparse claims a tulpa is fully aware in a lucid dream, but I'm skeptical of these claims. @jeeff
@A long kiss goodnight - jump
Strangely enough, I'm better at lucid dreaming than Sasha (I rarely dream- or should I say, dreams are rarely from my perspective- but when they are, they tend to be lucid without either of us practicing it much. But I'm sure not every tulpa will do this, I never intended to lucid dream, and am only able to dream at all on accident after years of existing.) And we can't parallel dream or appear as two separate entities in a dream, as much as we've tried.
2:48 AM
Just as in waking life only one of us can control the body at a time, only one of us can manipulate and experience a lucid dream at a time- I would consider myself fully conscious in a lucid dream only if it's my dream, meaning Sasha isn't fully conscious
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> a question: can a tulpa help me dream lucid? I don't think a tulpa has a special ability to lucid dream, but some tulpas can be really motivated to pull it off. I heard sparse claims a tulpa is fully aware in a lucid dream, but I'm skeptical of these claims. @jeeff
@A long kiss goodnight - jump
Strangely enough, I'm better at lucid dreaming than Sasha (I rarely dream- or should I say, dreams are rarely from my perspective- but when they are, they tend to be lucid without either of us practicing it much. But I'm sure not every tulpa will do this, I never intended to lucid dream, and am only able to dream at all on accident after years of existing.) And we can't parallel dream or appear as two separate entities in a dream, as much as we've tried.
I have dreamed of my tulpa several times, it is usually a separate entity and I have had a lucid dream about it, too, as separate entities. But somehow I think she can help me lucid dream, just do some more research.
3:09 AM
and experiment, well, I know what to waste my time on: u
jeeff
I have dreamed of my tulpa several times, it is usually a separate entity and I have had a lucid dream about it, too, as separate entities. But somehow I think she can help me lucid dream, just do some more research.
you can always ask your tulpa if he likes to help you and then build it up slowly like a lucid dream tech you need to learn the skill and so does your tulpa(edited)
Welp. It's confabulated probably. You could look at recent discussion in #tulpa-questions, we just talk about what is happening when tulpa is expected to live their life in WL when you are not there.
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